In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book "Real World Seduction." Famous in the Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished.
But even with the massive popularity of his book, he's been elusive. Drawing away from posting on mASF, Cliff's List, and even Mystery's Lounge, Swinggcat has become an enigmatic figure in the seduction community, preferring to let his work speak for itself.
Now, in this exclusive interview, Swinggcat breaks his silence and talks about his background, his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he's planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into 5 parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
Thundercat: What do you think is something most guys mess up on that might not normally come to mind?
Swinggcat: I think at the end of the day, it comes down to validation. Most guys are picking up girls not for the pure act of sex -- they'd just go to prostitutes if that's just what they wanted. Most guys, at a certain point in the interaction, are trying to get the woman's validation. In fact, even if they are just trying to get sex, there's this kind-of misconception in our culture that if you win a woman's validation, if she judges you as an attractive person, she'll sleep with you because she'll be attracted to you. But that's not what attraction is. Attraction is not how a woman judges you. Attraction is what you do to her mind and body, whether she knows it or not, if you do certain things to her mind and body, if you bring her into your reality and make her do things on your terms, she is attracted to you indeed. And, you know, if I was to give one thing to guys, it is "Be the prize."
Thundercat: What does that mean? To "be the prize?"
Swinggcat: I mean, you can believe you're the prize, but if you're still trying to convince a girl that you're the prize, you're gonna get absolutely nowhere with her. What I'm talking about is something fundamentally different, and that is literally creating yourself as the prize. Not an internal belief, but an external dynamic of the interaction with a woman. You are defining the underlying meaning of the interaction as you being the prize, making her chase you.
Thundercat: Let's talk about your book for a second. Swinggcat: Okay.
Thundercat: What inspired you to write your own book on this subject?
Swinggcat: I wrote this book because, to be quite frank with you, most of the material out there, absolutely, stinks. And I wrote this book because I think this is something that a lot of guys struggle with. I mean, let's be honest here. Guys are always going to be trying to get laid more. Its kind-of been the predicament since the beginning of man. We're all trying to get more poontang.
Thundercat: Except now we can't club them over the head and drag them back to our cave. Swinggcat: Well, we can. That's in my next book. Thundercat: (laughter)
Swinggcat: So the reason I put this body of knowledge together is through basically trial and error, and obsession. I think most of us guys who are involved in this are pretty obsessive-compulsive, and through trial and error, I figured a lot of stuff out. And it was fundamentally very different than a lot of other products out there, and I think that I really noticed something that a lot of other guys putting products out there kind-of. maybe they know about but they never really addressed, but what I did notice was this fundamental thing that I was doing was something that a lot of naturals do.
A lot of naturals are very good at getting the girl to chase them. They don't know what they're doing a lot of times, but that's because they don't really give a shit. that's the good part of being an ass hole. The good part of being an ass hole is really not caring about what the girl thinks and getting her to chase you. And I really think my book is the first body of knowledge that really teaches guys how to do this in an extremely in depth way. And because I have such a deep understanding of it, and because it wasn't out there, I felt that I was almost obligated to put this book together and offer it to other guys.
Thundercat: Now, you call your book "Real World Seduction." Explain the reasoning behind picking that name as opposed to something like "Super fast Pick-Up happy quick magic," or something of the equivalent.
Swinggcat: Well, the reason is at the end of the day, we can sit around and argue about what the semantics of what seduction is, but when it comes down to it, seduction is basically the process of going from meeting a woman to sleeping with her. We can exclude paying for her, and we can exclude forms of rape. Regardless, there's many different ways to go about it, but that very process is what I'm calling "seduction." So, seduction is what I think is the process of what we do.
The reason I call it "Real World" is because this isn't just a bunch of theory. I'm not going to get into fancy academic stuff, or what have you. This is my real life experience. I am a real life, real world seducer. And although certain other people inspired me, the stuff that I came up with is just from my experience. And I think that's fundamentally different than a lot of the stuff out there. I mean, I think a lot of the stuff should be called "Lazy Armchair Seduction," or "Real Computer Seduction," or something like that. Most of these guys aren't out in the field, so to speak.
You know, I'm interacting with real women on a constant basis, and I think that's what's fundamentally different. It's interesting, Robert Greene has a book called "Art of Seduction" where he talks about all these different things, all these different examples, and the book is quite good, because in my experience, a lot of that stuff is right on. Now, interestingly enough, I know a lot of guys who don't find his stuff practical. That tells me they aren't out in the field, because that book exemplifies exactly what the process of seduction is, and what the process of attraction is. There's many ways to go about it, but attraction is, at the end of the day, what you do to a woman's mind and body. Not how you get her to judge you.
Thundercat: How would you compare your book to some of the other stuff on the market out there?
Swinggcat: The main thing my book is going to teach you how to do is, when it comes down to it, we all have some sort of need, or validation, and possibly even insecurity for having control over certain social interactions. We've all been there before where it's like, even if we get laid haphazard, we've been in situations where we just don't feel like we have control over the situation. We can't direct where it goes. In my book, I've really broken it down to a science. It is so easy to control the interaction once you've read my book.
Thundercat: One of the things I like about your book is you actually have homework assignments. I don't know of many other product that does that, and the products out there that do, in fact, do it, it's not like "serious" homework.
Swinggcat: Well, thank you. Thundercat: I know it's helped me a lot.
Swinggcat: Awesome. I get e-mails from guys all the time saying my book changed their life. Thundercat: Exactly. I mean, we've been out before, and you've seen how I progressed. Swinggcat: You've made huge, huge improvements. I mean, you're amazing. Thundercat: Thanks, man. But getting back to you. Swinggcat: Okay. Now that our "hug" is over.
Thundercat: (Laughs) That's right, nobody want's to hear about me. What's in the future for Swinggcat? What are you looking forward to doing?
Swinggcat: I'm working on quite a bit of stuff, and one of the things I'm interested in is teaching guys how to master socializing, because it's beyond just issues with women and stuff like that. There's a ton of material that I haven't even talked about that I've been working on that will give you power in business, in social situations, and there's a lot of products I'm going to develop online.
Thundercat: Well, that begs the question everyone really wants to know. Are you going to do seminars?
Swinggcat: Still undecided if I'm going to do seminars or not. Thundercat: Does it depend on the kind of interest that's out there?
Swinggcat: Oh, the interest is there. The question is if I want to go in that direction or not. But there's all sorts of stuff in the works. And possibly even in-field workshops, though it would be something that would kind-of crack the paradigm of what is currently available. It would be something very different. But it's going to be absolutely life changing, no matter what it is.
Thundercat: Nice. Well, Swinggcat, thanks a lot for doing the interview.
Swinggcat: Alright. We'll talk again soon.
Well, there you have it folks. My big interview with Swinggcat! Please feel free to post feedback here on the site and let me know what you think and any suggestions on future interviews you may have. You can contact Swinggcat directly via e-mail at [email protected], and buy his book Real World Seduction, at his website www.realworldseduction.com.
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