his development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he's planning for the future.
This interview will be spread into 5 parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better.
Thundercat: Now, let's back up a bit, because you did kind-of become a celebrity on the SS List.
Swinggcat: Yes I did. Thundercat: How did that happen?
Swinggcat: How that happened is, um, during the time that I was using the handwriting analysis, I did have some pretty amazing success using this hypnotic seduction. And I did start to do things that I couldn't do before. I think a lot of us kind-of get into this stuff not just because we want to get laid more, but we want a sense of control over certain social interactions with women, and as I started using the SS, even though it wasn't the most effective stuff in the world, it started giving me control over these interactions. Instead of haphazardly, kind-of helter-skelter going about it, I was kind-of able to direct where it was going.
As I was able to do this, I did start to have certain lays, and I started to post them to the SS list, and people started to take notice. And the more this happened, the more I started to get into kind-of sophisticated hypnotic techniques. And I posted this thing to the SS List. that I was doing on women, and a man who was on the list by the name of Mark Cunningham, along with Tom Vizzini, flamed me. And basically, Ross Jeffries came in to my defense and said that "Some of us aren't good looking. Some of us HAVE to use techniques like this."
Ross e-mailed me after that and was wondering what exactly I was doing, and shortly after that I met Ross in LA. And Ross met me, and I think when he first met me he was a bit surprised because I looked normal. You know, I had both eyeballs and I wasn't missing any teeth.
Thundercat: But let's start talking about the point where you started coming into your own, away from SS, where you got into kind-of your own model of seduction, really.
Swinggcat: So this is an interesting thing, um... during. oh, let's see. in terms of timeframe I think this was 2001, that's when I first started hanging out with Ross. And I also became quite a powerful hypnotist. I don't consider myself on par with people like Steve Piccus, or Mike DuBay, but I'm pretty good and I can put these girls into trances. How it started that Ross Jeffries took notice of me is, when I moved down to LA from college, I had kind-of taken over the Southern California Seduction Lair. I was very active in college with the Northern California Seduction Lair, also known as the EBSS list -- East Bay Speed Seduction List -- and so when I came down here, I gathered a bunch of guys together and we all met at 3rd street promenade in Santa Monica, and I was talking about these different seduction techniques I used.
And you know, they were a bit skeptical of what I was about, and stuff like that, because as we know there are a lot of armchair seducers within this world, a lot of people who talk big, a lot of frauds. And I was talking about this stuff that at the time I could do somewhat consistently. I was basically talking about a form of hypnotic conditioning where within about 5 minutes of meeting the girl, I'd be fondling her breasts and making out with her.
They were very intrigued and one of the guys there, I think he goes by the handle AlFunLover, challenged me to do it on this girl walking by. And so, basically within 5 minutes of meeting her, I put her into a trance, was fondling her breasts, and making out with her. Well, what happened was, these guys, as soon as they got home, posted to the SS List: "I'd been studying this stuff all these years, and thought it was fake. but it's real! And there's this guy, Swinggcat, who can make out with girls within 5 minutes using these very sophisticated techniques."
Well, within about 10 minutes of them putting this post up on the SS List, I get a private e-mail from Ross saying "Don't post what you did, I need to meet up with you immediately." So we made plans to meet up, and I gotta be honest with you, I was excited to meet up with him. At that point he was kind-of a big name, you know, I'd learned all this stuff from him. I was a bit intimidated, and I didn't want to meet up with him alone, so I flaked on him. And he wrote me this angry e-mail back, you know, accused me of being a sociopath because I flaked, you know.
About a month later, a man by the name of IN10SE arranged a meeting between Ross and I at the 3rd street promenade. And the guys that were present were IN10SE, my good friend Merovingian, and Ross. And we met up, and I sort of remember when I met up I showed up late, because that's my trademark, I'm notoriously late. And I showed up about an hour late at
Boarders, because that's where I'm supposed to meet them, and no one was there. So I was about to take off, and then I saw IN10SE. IN10SE came up to me and he's like "Swinggcat, the guru is very mad at you." And so I thought this was a joke, or whatever, so we walked over to Barnes and Noble, which is where the others were now waiting, and Ross gave me this dirty look. And then he put out his hand, so I put out my hand and I went to shake it. And he pulled me into him and then he spilled coffee all over me and said "Ah! You fucker! You spilled my coffee!" And at that moment, I knew something was terribly wrong.
Thundercat: Oh my god. Now, you're serious? This actually happened?
Swinggcat: This actually happened. This is real. Well. by the way, I stole that tactic from him. It's quite good, quite effective.
Swinggcat: So anyways, we meet or whatever, and Ross, being the guru, takes the frame and he says that he thinks we should go over to the nearest Starbucks and sarge... I think it was the Starbucks on Wilshire. So we all walk over to Wilshire and I go kind-of inside the coffee shop to see if there's any "honey bunnies" as Ross calls it. Now, I got to admit, I was a little bit intimidated to approach girls in front of this guy. We definitely had no rapport. I mean, he talks about this Golden Bubble stuff, I don't know if he was breaking rapport intentionally, but I did not feel that "Incredible Connection" with him.
So anyways, he was outside, he saw some girl out there, he started chatting her up, I come outside, and he tries to get me to talk to her. I'm kind-of weird about talking to a girl around him, so I try and get IN10SE to talk to her, and uh, basically, he says "No, I want YOU to talk to her Swingg." So I end up talking to the girl, drop her into a hypnotic trance, start fondling her breasts, and out of. kind-of in the periphery of my hearing, I hear Ross going "Thank God! Thou shall strike revenge upon the female race! Speed Seduction IS real!" And, you know, I thought "Ross Jeffries is the master, he can do a lot better than me." But I don't think Ross had ever seen anything like it. And in that moment he realized that there was someone that could actually make his stuff work.
Thundercat: So you had his stamp of approval at that point?
Swinggcat: I had his stamp of approval, and at that point, he started building me up on the list as being this kind-of "super" SSer. As one of his top students, when in fact during that time, he really was becoming more of my student. He started incorporating many, you know, many of my ideas into his videos, into what he kind-of dubbed the "new model" of seduction. Thundercat: Some would say the best teachers learn from their students. Swinggcat: Very true.
Thundercat: Now, around this time when you were coming up in the ranks of SS, Ross was having a bit of a flame war with Mystery on Cliff's List, right?
Swinggcat: That's right.
Thundercat: And he actually put you and IN10SE up against Mystery and anyone of his choosing. Swinggcat: That's right.
Thundercat: Now, were you introduced to Mystery before that point? Or was that your introduction to Mystery Method?
Swinggcat: I don't recall, we're gonna have to look at the actual date of that. But this is before that recent post that he made about challenging me against Erik. This is a couple years ago. This is actually. maybe it was before he met Erik.
Thundercat: You mean Mystery.
Swinggcat: Well, his identity is already out there now, so it doesn't matter. Now, as I discovered later on, I'm gonna sort-of fast forward here, I became a big celeb after that, Ross built me up, I started becoming a star at his seminars, you know, it's kind-of like a "Rocky" thing - rise to the top. Fast forward, I think a big part of why I had success with his material is. he gave me something to say. Um, I'm a guy, you know, not the greatest looking guy in the world, but I'm not a bad looking guy. Good personality. I have confidence, which is a big part of my system. And the fact of the matter is he gave me something to say and he was the first one to introduce me to, having a sense of control over the interaction, you know . Not fully controlling, but it was my first taste of what it was like to control a social interaction. And I think for those reasons, I did very well with his material. As I found out later on, it wasn't his material at all that was getting me the success with women, it was something else, and that something is what I've developed over the years.
Thundercat's Seduction Lair: February 2004
Mln the next part of the interview, Swinggcat talks about his first taste of life outside of Speed Seduction, and how he began to develop his own model of seduction. You can find out more about Swinggcat, and buy his book Real World Seduction, at his website www. realworldseduction.com.
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