To Grandmothers House We Go

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date 12 27 03 I'm beginning to feel a little bit like Frodo with his ring, trudging towards Mordor. The weight of family and all the AFC anchors associated to it is starting to become too great. I got an email from my good friend up north, Brother Kermit, reminding me that family breaks state, and he couldn't be more right. I can almost feel my pick-up skills atrophing as I type. To top it off, my parent's are dragging me to my Grandparent's house for...

Look Out Don Juan Here Comes Mystery

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date 1 6 04 For those of you who don't know who Mystery is, he's a Pick-Up artist from Canada who's been around since the early days of ASF. Most of the techniques on fast-seduction.com have been pioneered by him, and he's developed a LOT of Pick-Up theory as well as utilizing group dynamics in his pick-ups. To my knowledge, he is also the first ever Pick-Up Artist to do live, infield workshops designed to train other men to approach women in bars and...

FR Shoe Sizes The Art Of Pissing Off Women

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date 1 21 04 **Image removed I end up going to work on Friday after my outing at the Stuff Afterparty (see my Field Report Back in the Saddle for details), albeit late. But my boss is out that day, so it's all good. I end up leaving early too, which means I get in a good 5 hour work day. Ahhh, America I meet up with Swinggcat again for dinner at Toi, which is a rock and roll Thai food place. We're eventually joined by Roadking and we discuss some of the...

The Power of the Dark Side mASF and Shredded Souls

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date 12 18 03 I found a post on mASF entitled The aftermath of mASF and her shredded soul. The post was just the right ammount of mellowdramatic to capture my interest, so I decided to check it out. It was put up by a guy called Acolyte and goes as follows The aftermath of mASF and her shredded soul. (1 of 17), Read 562 times Conf > > General From arby_acolyte ratty1 webmail.co.za Date Tuesday, December 16, 2003 03 19 AM I hurt a girl today. Her...

Zen and the Art of Opening

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date 12 18 03 Okay all you wannabees. Here is an article I wrote a few months back for Cliff's List on approaching women. Its not my best work to date, but it should get you started off in the right direction as far as upping your game to the next level. Obviously, if you can already approach worth a damn, you might very well get nothing from this post, so go back to looking at your internet pornography. I know i will. ) Thundercat An Essay on...

The Real David DeAngelo

So I'm reposting this from the latest Cliff's List, just because it's not every day we see a post from David D outside of his newsletters. I found this post to be quite interesting, because he seems to be revealing a bit more of his personal life experiences than we're used to seeing from him. It's also a damn good Field Report with some quite humorous moments, especially if you imagine David D talking in his typical monotone ultra-serious voice. (Think Al Gore in party mode) ) Tyler, I just...

Look Out Lay Guide Here Comes the Wife Beating Guide

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date 1 16 04 **Image removed I heard about this story earlier in the week and couldn't help but find it both funny and a bit disturbing. It seems a Muslim Cleric was sentenced in a Spanish court to be jailed for 15 months for writing a book called ''Women in Islam'' which attempts to interperet the Koran when it applies to women. What many are making it out to be, however, is a step-by-step guide on how to beat your wife without leaving any incriminating...

The Ultimate Secret to Getting Good With Women

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date 1 6 04 So I wrote this article for Cliff's List, but it seems Cliff continues to have trouble with his e- mail, so I don't know if the newsletter ever got out. Anyway, I was planning on reposting it here afterwards but since it seems most people didn't get the newsletter I guess it really doesn't matter. This was probably the hardest article I've ever written because it deals with a lot of personal stuff. Hope you guys get something from it so its...

Initial Fear of the Approach

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date 12 22 03 Someone on the DC list asked a pretty good question about approaching and fear of the approach. They talked about how hard it was to approach women initially in SS. I think this is a pretty valid point, because the first stage in anyone's development as a seducer or pick-up artists is to learn how to approach girls. Speaking as someone who comes from an SS background, I can feel for guys who are going through this. IMO, SS is one of the...

Tingly Method

Tingly from the PLAY and Seduction, the Art of lists has hit mASF with his Method, entitled Universal Boomerang. I know feelings are mixed about this guy and his skill level, as he is yet another self-proclaimed guru who feels the need to create his own method and often fluxuates between beligerent ego-maniacal flamer and selfless teacher, but regardless, someone may get something from his style of pick-up. So without further ado, here is the Tingly Method. My method is comparable to that of...

The Top 10 PickUp Artists

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date 12 16 03 Okay, so the debate has been raging for a while now over who is the best PUA (Pick-Up Artist) out there. Obviously, a lot of egos are involved in this statement, and everyone has their own opinions about who the best really is. In fact, its so subjective, that I don't really think there will ever be a clear and honest answer on the subject. Its like asking who the best warrior or soldier is in a war. But the fact of the matter remains, no...

Devoting Time to Seduction

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date 1 15 04 You know, sometimes something comes along in our lives that makes us very petty and jealous. It's a human thing to feel, I suppose, but in that case I must be VERY human, because I've found myself quite jealous lately. Since last July, I'd been going out sarging pretty much every night. It was a lot of fun, hitting the clubs, winging with friends, meeting lots and lots of new girls, making mistakes and learning from them. I probably learned...

An Interview with Swinggcat Part IV

In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book Real World Seduction. Famous in the Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished. But even with the massive popularity of his book, he's been...

The Psychology of Dating Porn Stars

So I'm doing my regular reading today, and there's a blog I like to visit called Pornblography, which is linked on the right hand side of my site under the Blogroll section. Now, you may think this links to free porno or something, but it's actually a blog maintained by a former porn actress turned reporter (or something). Anyway, it's a very interesting look inside the world of porn, not just from someone who works in the industry, but a woman to boot. Anyway, the great thing about this blog...

The Subtle Art of Manipulation

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date 1 8 04 I really value my friends. In fact, I cherish my friends. If you're my friend, I will bend over backwards to help you, because in my view, you've earned the right to recieve my help. Being my friend also means you've earned the right to recieve my trust. And being my friend means that no matter what happens, in the end, I'll always be on your side. Its very hard to find good friends in life. The type of friends you'd entrust your life to. One...

Some New Linkage

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date 1 14 04 This being the internet, you gotta show your love and link those who link you, so I've added a few new sites to the Link section of the blog. The first is Minger's new blog Seduction Digest. Minger is the head of the DC lair and also wrote that great article about the Rolling Stones New York Times articles that I reposted under my entry ''Out of the Closet and Into the Fire.'' If that's any indication of what we'll be seeing on his blog, I...

Upcoming PUA Events

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date 1 18 04 For some reason, the Winter Spring season is a big time for the Seduction Arts here in Los Angeles. Maybe it's the quiet desperation brought about by evil hollidays like Valentine's Day, but for the next 30 days there will be a number of commercial seduction related events on the horizon here if LA-LA land. Thanks to Papa for creating this little list. Below is the breadown ***PLAY (Player's Los Angeles Yahoo) Group Meeting Date Tuesday,...

Ross Jeffries Bans Top Student

Well, the big news today comes from the Speed Seduction world, where it seems Ross's paranoid streak continues. Apparently Ross has Kicked and Banned one of his top students --In10se -- from the SS e-mail list and all SS related events. I talked to In10se on the phone last night, and he sounded pretty down about the whole ordeal. Luckily, I was able to console him due to my own experience with bearing Ross's wrath, as evidenced here. But such is the danger when you start to think for yourself...

How do you Kill Negative Thoughts

Ironration started a thread which seems to have picked up on trying to overcome your negative thoughts with positive ones. I know this is something I've had a hard time with, especially when I first started out. Nothing's worse than repeating affirmations when in the back of your mind you're just thinking This is bullshit. You can check out the thread Affirmations backed by positive action destroy negative thoughts. I wrote an article on Cliff's List a while back on Inner Game issues that cover...

Feminator breaks the Girl Code

Feminator posts about his magic pill. You know it must be because its in the advanced forum ) Posted by Thundercat on 02 04 2004 Permalink Comments (0) TrackBack Harmless from Dating ReEnhanced writes When I'm dealing with a party girl in a club, where I've gamed her and VERY quickly raised her buying temp, (I'm talking minutes) I do something like this to prevent flakes IF I can't pull Me ''Look, I'm leaving, but give me your number so we can hook up this weekend (or whatever meet we've...

A look at how to keep a Woman on the String

So one of my semi-regular reading grounds is Women.com, a site that's pretty much geared towards teenage girls who think people like Ashton Kuchar are dreamy. Anyway, they got some message boards on there where girls post their problems and other girls answer. Sometimes the advice is good, sometimes not, but regardless it's there. In fact, I'd say it's *close* to how us guys use mASF. Anyway, I was browsing through the forum recently and came across a post entitled We had a huge fight. So I...

Main Key to this Game

CajunPimp has a great post up on the basics of solid game. Good content there. Any newbies should definitely read it, and it never hurts for the old guys to brush up on the basics. You can check the thread out here. Posted by Thundercat on 02 11 2004 Permalink Comments (1) TrackBack Posted by Thundercat on 02 11 2004 Permalink Comments (1) TrackBack In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book Real World Seduction. Famous in the Speed Seduction...

The Power of Frames How Do You Tell If A Girl Likes

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date 12 24 03 So some poor soul on the San Diego PLAY list posted a problem to the group asking how you could tell when a girl likes you. Now, being part of the San Diego list, this guy has the advantage of getting advice from the likes of BadBoy and Craig, both of which are two top guys in this little community we have going on here. Craig's advice to the fella, which I don't think he would mind me sharing here, was simply Short, sweet, and to the...

Steve Piccus in Distress a Major Mark Seminar and Cliffs List Difficulties

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date 1 31 04 Well, the latest issue of Cliff's List came out, saying that here had been difficulty with the email system before so some people missed the last couple of issues, but Cliff claims he has switched to a new software that should take care of the problem. However, I STILL did not recieve the latest issue. It had to be e-mailed to me by a friend. And this is important because the latest issue of Cliff's List had a pretty heartwrenching post in...

Mystery Sex Magic

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date 1 26 04 This weekend, I had the pleasure of meeting up with some of the best pick-up artists in the world (all of which happen to live in LA, as luck would have it ) On Sunday night, I was joined by Mystery and his current roommate Herbal from Project Hollywood at Roadking's appartment for a night of Salt-Lick Barbeque flown out specially from Austin Texas, home of the best BBQ I've ever had. It had been a while since I'd hung out with Mystery, so I...

Rave Reviews on ASF

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date 12 16 03 Okay, so back at the DYD seminar in Chicago, I was tapped to be a guest instructor at the Papa TD Orion workshop. It was the first time I had ever really gone out instructing people in a professional capacity. I mean, I've been out bootcamping some local guys on Sunset here in LA, but this was a workshop people were paying for, so I felt a certain pressure to do my best with helping the students to learn. Anyway, I was referred to a review...

Fuck Challenges

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date 12 17 03 Okay, so my little triade on drama lead to a discussion about how Men need challenges like Women need drama. Personally, I found this notion quite stupid. It sounds like something only someone with no understanding of actual people would say. Obviously, I'm not much of an authority either, but in my personal experiences, men don't need challenge to be happy like women need drama to be happy. To men, challenge is a sporting event. Its a...

FR Back in the Saddle Again A Stuff Afterparty Report

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date 1 19 04 **Image removed Thundercat What is it about sluts that makes them so attractive Swinggcat It's called honesty, dude. So it's a Thursday night, and I'm sitting around my apartment in my underwear working on the computer, ready to fritter away yet another weeknight so that I may be able to get to work on time the next morning when suddenly, I get a phone call. It's from my friend Alleycat. Apparently, he's got a hot tip about some goings on...

My Secret Identity The Dichotomy of a PUA

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date 12 24 03 Growing up, I used to collect comic books. I was pretty hard core about it too. I started when I lived in Germany and it was the only American thing my family had available for kids, and its a trend I continued until high school. I eventually stopped because I was spending upwards of 200 a week on comic books. Seriously, I was addicted. All the money I had went to owning that shit. My parents had to orchestrate an intervention to break me...

An Interview with Swinggcat Part III

In November of 2003, Swinggcat surprised the seduction community with the release of his book Real World Seduction. Famous in the Seduction community, respected by some of the best pick-up artists world wide, but relatively unknown to the general populous, Swinggcat quickly joined the ranks of gurus such as David DeAngelo with the amazing debut of his eBook which took a new look at the way Seduction and Attraction can be accomplished. But even with the massive popularity of his book, he's been...

Swinggcats new student Tyler Durden

So Tyler has a really excellent thread going in the Advanced board of mASF called How to play hard to get, actually for real. You can read the whole thing here. Anyways, everyone's loving it, and then dvs comes along and posts this dvs writes nice post. how to get girls to chase you is explained in greater depth in the realworldseduction ebook by swinggcat. it kicks ass and i recommend it to anyone interested in getting a girl to chase you. its right up there with deangelo's shit. i find that...

Deconstructing Swinggcat

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date 12 20 03 Okay, its no big secret me and Swinggcat know each other. In fact, we're pretty good friends. So good, that he has granted me permission to repost his newsletter on my blog. Of course, I never thought I'd see the day when he got off his lazy ass to actually WRITE the newsletter, but just as another sign of the coming appocalypse, it has finally arrived. From time to time, I'll post some of his newsletters on here that I think are worthy of...

Doc Love Bad Advice

So I was checking out the Dating & Romance section of Askmen.com today and read the latest Doc Love article. Now, I don't know much about the good Doctor in fact, this is the first article I've read of his. He has a bit of good advice to share, but overall, I think he's a little off with his mindset. For example, in the latest article, a guy named Kieth chimes in My problem is a little unusual. I'm looking to you for some good advice. I was dating Samantha for about seven months before she...

Cocky Funny and Good Looking Guys

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date 12 19 03 There was an excellent post on the PLAY list asking a question which is a very good one. Basically, the guy who posted said that he's a good looking guy, but that he seems to hurt his pick-ups with being too cocky and not funny enough. He then goes on to ask the question What is the proper way to use cocky funny For those of you who might not know, cocky funny is the primary theory behind David DeAngelo's Double Your Dating material. His...

Completely Cold

A lot of people seemed interested in the book Style reffered to on Cold Reading in his rather mean post on Social Robots (but I guess when you're as good as he is, you have the ability to look down on us mere mortals). Regardless, thanks to IN10SE's help, I was able to track it down. It's called Completely Cold and is written by Kenton Knepper. It seems to be a book on mentalism tricks for street magicians, so it only seems natural Mystery would have incorporated something like it into his...

An Interview with Swinggcat Part II

His development, his theories on seduction and attraction, and what he's planning for the future. This interview will be spread into 5 parts throughout the course of the week. It should be noted that this is a transcribed text of my conversation, and has been edited by me to make it read better. Thundercat Now, let's back up a bit, because you did kind-of become a celebrity on the SS List. Swinggcat Yes I did. Thundercat How did that happen Swinggcat How that happened is, um, during the time...

The Taboos of Seduction

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date 1 12 04 Saturday night, I found myself out on the town with my buddy Roadking, as well as my friend Alleycat (the artist formerly known as Poet Dude. Will this guy ever stop changing his handle ). We got together at a strip club that Roadking and I have had some success with in the past, and spent some quality time making fun of every stripper we could see. Alleycat and I even created a new game, where we'd make fun of the stripper's asses by using...

The Social Circle of Life

Reposted from the first Lair, original date 12 16 03 Okay all you AFCs, Here is a copy of my most recent article from Cliff's List on Social Circles. Aside from the ghey title, I think its pretty good. I'm still looking for my article on walk-ups. When I find that, I'll post it. How to Create the Best Possible Environment for Getting Laid An Essay by Tundercat I'll be the first to admit it. I'm a nerd. I like to watch TV, go to movies, read books, play on my computer, and even partake in the...